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record high, the eighth in nine days. 443 companies are hitting 32-week highs today. 71 companies hitting all-time highs today. the marks are going bonkers today. and here's cavuto. le. >> he is facing -- >> does he this is a broader problem? >> he is concerned by every report he sees on this. >> the last four years not balance -- >> that's your opinion. >> twice as many as all previous administrations combined. >> shake your head and editorialize -- >> covering other administrations when it didn't work -- >> think back. >> you're asking me to prove a negative. >> part of it is fact. >> again, pre -- >> investigation -- >> the consequence? >> neil: that went well. get ready.
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it's only just starting. the nice out whoert roars, -- white house reporters, they bite. welcome. i'm neil cavuto. just because they're mainstream doesn't mean now and then reporters can't swim upstream. today going against the white house current in what has been a safe and reliable white house claim that everything bad you hear about us, it's the darn run runs making political noise. it worked for a while on benghazi, then abc news revealed the revised talking points. then he irs admitted 'controversitive groups targeted. and then the just department admitted the ap reporters targeted. john mccain calling for a special committee to look into benghazi on this show. others demanding reporters. reporters up in arms and a who is press secretary up against the wall. it's not how many of these scandals keep popping up but how
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fast they keep popping up. so here's what could be another summer bummer for an embattled white house all over again. what are we to make of this? >> well, neil, all coming together all at once for an administration that, you're right, has had a bit of a ride for a while that the press was seen as being fairly lenient with it, we'll say. but now it is clearly engaged across the board on a number of fronts, and the irs scandal is coming to a head. you can see democrats and republicans coming out with statements left and right that disthis will really be something that both sides of capitol hill will look at intensely, with hearing after hearing you have the ap situation, attorney general defending actions, although he recused himself in the actual action of the going
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after the ap phone efforts in the actual investigation. it was the deputy attorney general who oversaw the investigation. he said it's justified. and says it's warranted, and then the benghazi situation. only continues to seem to get bigger, even though the white house and democrats continue to say, it is politicized and a political circus. >> harry reid on the irs thing drew the line and said that was going too far, and obviously that cuts across both party lines here. how much does this develop, how bad does this get? >> i mean, you have to look at each scandal separately. i think we have yet to know where exactly the ap situation is going. until we know all the details there. we don't know. we do know that it was broad in
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this investigation for them to go after 20 different reporters -- 20 different phone records, lines, that pretty extensive, but to hear the attorney general say that in his career, of being a prosecutor since 1976, he's not send -- the most serious or most top three serious leaks he has ever heard of. that is how he is defending the action of the justice department. so we haven't heard all of that yet. the irs scandal, obviously has touched a nerve across the country. and is one that will clearly move forward here in washington, up on capitol hill, and there will be heads that roll. and benghazi, you're going to see more whistle blowers come forward. i also think we haven't heard the on the talking points situation.
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despite what the president had said yesterday, and what jay carney continues to say, there's more to know about how that process developed and how susan rice ended up saying what she said on the five talk shows. >> brett, when you have crises like this bubbling at the same time, how important is it to look at the economic and/or market backdrop? the market has been on a great roll, another all-time high reached today, over 15,000 on the dow and that might be the wind at the president's back, that unlike richard nixon, where you had inflation, oil crisis, you had a bubbling crisis well beyond the watergate hearings starting 40 years ago this month. the backdrop wasn't great. the difference with this president, if it ever involves anything approaching that type of thing, he has that going for him and that might help. >> you're right, neil.
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i think you're right about the market. there is, as you know, a lot of uncertainty about the way forward. i think people characterized the economy differently, but with things out there like health care and big-ticket items that businesses don't know how things are going to good down the road, they have question marks about. i think that the bottom line is on the scandals, is the truth. what is the truth? and this administration has, i think, been -- has toll reporters one thing and said, listen, this is the right way. trust us on this, and it has turned out not to be that, and now is turning back the page, trying to fix what they said before. at least that's what has happened in benghazi. and we'll see what happened on the other scandals. >> neil: brett, thank you very
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much. meanwhile, first on fox, you remember -- singled out for giving one million dollars in support of mitt romney, later becoming the focus of three different odds two fromte irs some one from the labor department. i remember saying these investigations were just could incidence but the timing was peculiar. what do you make of what you were going through and now hearing what you're hearing today. >> well, it's interesting, isn't it? that conservatives were being targeted. evidently by the irs and perhaps other agencies as well. for me, well, i think it was just a year and three days ago you had me on your show and all we knew then i had been listed on this list of eight individualed by president obama's campaign, later became known as president obama's enemies list. >> neil: you were one of eight
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individuals. what got you on the list was your -- what they considered to be your striking conservative views. that shouldn't matter to anyone. but i think what mattered to me was, how quickly soon afterwards audits started popping up, investigations started popping up. you had to defend your honor. you were completely exonerated but you spent a lot of money trying to get your good name back. >> what happened. we made substantial donation to one of mitt romney's reporters, a superpac. >> neil: a million dollars. >> and the liberal press picked that up and right after that president obama came out with his list of donors, and there are thousands of donors. he picked out eight. some -- >> neil: no similar lists about generous democratic donors. >> the first time a president of the united states has done that.
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he list infield eight door knows. why eight? i suspect because you can't go every thousands, and as soon as that happened i knew that a target had been nailed on my back. i didn't know it would happen but that's when you had me on your show and said, what about this? and we didn't know. >> neil: how soon was the first audit? >> the first audit happened eight weeks after the president's list came out. >> neil: and then there was the second odd, and the labor department audit. >> yourself odd, followed by the department of labor odd, then followed by another irs odd. >> neil: now, obviously these are matters you're free to discuss or not. i don't want to get into details. if you don't want to answer, you don't have to what kind of information were they after? late say the irs first. >> auditing my tax returns. >> you as an individual? >> me as an individual first and then one of my companies, second. >> neil: now you heard about the questions they were asking these various conservative groups. were they that involved in detail with you?
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>> no. >> neil: what kind of stuff were -- >> they were just after my taxes. >> neil: you were fully exonerated. didn't have to pay any extra. >> no change, no penalties no fines. >> neil: but you spent $10,000 tos' defend yourself. >> almost 80,000 decide. $25,000 per audit. now come on to this picking on conservative groups, raising questions about the tax exemption status, how many organizations they were reaching out to, how many individuals they were reaching out to. do you find this coincidental? part of a pattern? what? >> well, gosh, i don't know. i mean, what -- well, i hope it's just coincidence. because the kind of country i'd like america to be, i don't want us to become one of these third world countries where you have to worry about your back all the time if you disagree with who is
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in charge. i think that's particularly dangerous for us to enter into that era, and -- so when i came out and said, a year ago, when president obama tacks a target to my back and he makes a list of eight people, who is supposed to be take attention? just the liberal press is supposed to come out and ruin our reputation which happened. hundreds of article start bid mother jones and followed up with -- they did theirs before the president's list. hundred office articles telling one untruth after another. it was a swarm coming at us. we couldn't swat the flies fast enough. with the enter northwest and all the repetition. then president obama comes out, of course, right before then he commodes out with the list, and then comes the audit. so, when i said who is supposed to be paying attention, just the liberal mess or do we expect the federal agencies to pay
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attention? are they coming after news is didn't know the answer. i didn't have to wait long. yeah, they're coming. >> neil: do you think these were rogue agents or district heads who decided to look after wealthy conservative groups and individuals like you, or do you suspect they were getting orders from higher up? >> i don't know. i mean, i don't know. >> neil: i find it out -- i remember that list when you popped up on it. i even told you, it was just a matter of time. >> he said -- his campaign said this about the eight of us. they had less than reputable records and had been on the wrong side of the law. none of that was true about me and i don't think it was true about any of us. my issue probably is, yeah, let's see if the irs targeted us because of that. did they seek us out because of the list? it came awful fast, one right after another after another. but i think the error was made when the president made the list. i don't think he said, go get 'em. he doesn't have to. he has an army of people who
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want to please him, whether it's the agency tore liberal press. all he has to do is make the list. >> a year ago you were captain bly. you were completely exonerated. aalways think of you and ray donovan, charges thrown against him and he asked, how die get my good name back? what about you? bitter? angry. >> no, hopeful. that our country will not continue to go down that path. hopeful that we'll have leaders of our country that will make sure that we don't go that path, down that path. think it's unfair for president obama to nail in the target up there, and then say, well, if people shoot at the target, now i'm going to go after. the i think what he said yesterday, going to hold them accountable. i don't think it's fair. i hope he does go after them.
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we'll see. it's unfair maybe -- they're doing -- he has to expect they're going to do something. when he puts the list up there. so, my point is, he made the list. he put the target up there. he knew something was going to happen. i don't think he knew exactly what. but sure enough -- >> neil: but it happened. >> did. >> neil: left or right, guys, it can happen to any one of us. the full weight and power of the most feared agency on earth going after you. see you'd feel, and know what we do now about the irs, do you really want these guys policing your health care? talk about enough to make you sick. after this. you hurt my feelings, todd. i did? when visa signature asked everybody what upgraded experiences really mattered... you suggested luxury car service instd of "strength training with patrick willis." come on todd! flap them chicken wings. [ grunts ] well, i travel a lot and umm...
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plan and policing the funds for the plan. thousands of agents hired to do just that, waiting for something to do. maybe just up in smoke. charles payne. can you major the irs now handling our health care? >> well, listen, it is what it is. we're talking about reports up to 16-1/2, 17,000 new agents. >> neil: what's they're job supposed to be? >> that's just it. feels pretty vague. we have navigators who will explain the healthcare system and how to sign up for things. by the way, help you register to vote while you're at it. but these agents -- here's the thing. i can't think of any agency -- we talked about the epa. there's nothing in d.c., nothing in the federal government as -- that people fear -- i don't care who you are, what your religion is, your political affiliation, win you hear irs agent on the phone or you get a letter, the intimidation -- we're talking about zeus right now. and this is what maybe small
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businesses have to dole with, and individuals have to deal with, as we implement the healthcare law, and this feels like it could be an incredible intimidation factor. >> neil: and ignorance of the law is no defense for violating it. in other words, there are so many rules and regulations to this healthcare thing that any small business can mess up on any detail, including irs requirements on how you fund this, what benefit you're providing the worker and how many hours. you're in deep doo-doo. >> if i owe $10,000 to don core leeown and 10,000s to to irs, the irs gets their money first. >> neil: what if it's an italian irs agent in you're in a conundrum. we had laws put in place after watergate to avoid this sort of thing. so obviously we circumvented that. whether they're rogue agents or
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orders on high. >> it's still happening. we'll know more at the end of the week. i think people will be in greater shock than they are right now and the implementation of the healthcare law at the very least probably will be slowed down by this, because there's a whole -- been a whole string of things. it's more expensive than thought. >> neil: better for this is the irs enforcement part. democrats and republicans alike aren't going to be running for this. >> the irs already has complete access to all of our financial records and now to our healthcare records. don't know people feel comfortable with the new reality. >> neil: we'll find our medical tests have been denied. we have the detailed questionnaire that, if you got it, really frighten you. mine was earned in djibouti, africa. 2004. vietnam in 1972. [ all ] fort benning, georgia in 1999.
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>> neil: now we know the irs underinquiring about conservative groups. they were doing darner in full body cavity search. i want you to listen to some of the documents they were asking from these guys. copies of handouts provided to audience and participants and the public, the names and credentials of all organizers. the percentage of time and resources spent on these events. what? will there be future such events? if so, how many and where. in detail. then, questions like, who are your donors and contributors and how often do they contribute and how much do they contribute? lots of stuff. scary stuff. and to hear the tear partyer tell it, deliberating intimidating. bruce, were you subjected to any of this? >> well, first, thank you for having me on, neil.
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i myself was not. didn't get on to the leadership committee until january of this year. i was part of the tea party earlier, and was well aware of all the difficulty that they were experiencing. >> neil: part of it was a lot of it was tax exempt status and the trigger point being if they had patriot in their name or tea in their name, that was enough to get the irs to sort of flag you and start asking all of these questions, some of which were germane, some seem beyond, nauseating details there was a point where guys like you were saying, there's a common thread here. we're talking to other tea party organizations and they're getting the samier. when were you putting it all together? >> i think probably started putting it together back in
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september of 2010. we originally applied in december of 2009. didn't hear anything from the irs until september 2010. which they asked us for about 12 questions, and it took so much detail to answer the questions, the package we sent back was like about 500 pages. took a tremendous amount of time to put all this information, detailed information they're looking for, and of course, they had taken nine months months tod to us and gave us two weeks to respond to them. >> neil: do you think this was just some rogue agents at the irs or that it went higher up? do you think there were those in the administration who were calling the shots to single conservative groups, tea party groups out. >> no one knows how high up it goes. obviously i don't think anybody
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believes that some people down the line, working at a desk, out around the water cooler decided to target our group or any other group. but where it started, where initiated from, we have no idea, but we look forward to the irs providing us with the answer. >> neil: amazing. you might have to wait a little while. bruce, thank you very, very much. did you ever ask yourself, how the heck stuff like this could happen? what makes people cross the line and then stomp out the line? to the whistle-blower at enron who saw for herself, and says, she is seeing it all over again. sharon watkins is here and only here, next. [ female announcer ] at jcpenney, we never stop being amazed by you.
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>> neil: i kept asking myself this, where was this lady, sharon watkins, at the irs when they were snooping on consecutive groups and where was sharon at the justice department when they were supposedly snooping on ap reporters or where was sharon when they were revising benghazi talking points no less than 12 teams and where were the whistle-blower to scream and shoulder. we slipping into something illegal. this must stop. sharon watkins stood up and got slammed down for warning enron management it was drifting,
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slipping, lying. she saw all the signs and was in the bunker and knew and knows well the bunker mentality. sharon, help us understand how these things happen. how in a rational environment -- let's say the irs, just within the irs, that it doesn't have any outside influence -- they are targeting a group, and obviously it has to be a couple of people agreeing, we want to target these groups. how does that group think happen? >> well, they've got a goal that seems laudible, and potentially it's, this group is for less taxes, they're bound to be trying to create some loopholes that might not be on the up and up. let's vent the. there's some goal that seems laudible and they don't question their means to get there. and that's typically how wrong-doing happens. people don't intend to violate policy or procedure or law, but they take a look at a goal they
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see is laudible and focus on that to the exclusion of all else. >> neil: i remember the case of enron and you were speaking out while this was still looking like a viable good company, the sort of new era company, and you were talking to ken lay and others, what we're doing isn't jibing here. i'm oversimply identifying it. how was that received on the part of management, particularly ken lay, when you were telling him stuff like this? well, there's a whistle-blower report out that when people do blow the whistle internally they believe they're going to be listened to, that the corrective action will be taken. otherwise, why do it? and then, when you're not listened to, when you're ignored, you go through a period of, what next? what do i do now? >> neil: you became the target. >> uh-huh. yes. and it sounds as if that happened at the irs, where people were aware there were things -- that the wrong
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policies were being put in place, and people said something, but didn't feel as if they were being listened to. >> neil: when they went back at enron and reconstructed events, sharon, that one of the things that happen is you were sort of like -- i don't know -- the angel on their shoulders trying to say, look, this -- the way we're doing this isn't right, and what bothered me, looking back, is there weren't a lot of other folks like you saying that. and i'm wondering -- it doesn't mean these other folks were all evil or bad, but the group think. we talked about in the past and are getting into now, where the -- it was almost leak the ends justified the means. how was it then, how does it relate to what you see happening now? >> well, there's typically a sense of urgency involved. when wrong-doing happens there's a rush, we have to get this done, get it done now. and people protest but it ended
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up being ignored because we're trying to finish something by the end of this month or next month, and people feel like their protests are fruitless. so turns out there were others at enron that went before me, too, and they were ignored. >> neil: the argument was we all have to be on the same page, and they questioned your argument that what they're doing is illegal. so i'm thinking, there's sharon at enron screaming that this isn't kosher, more or less, got some serious issues, but that everyone had to get the same talking points out there. some of them i'm going to give th the doubt didn't think what they were doing was illegal but they knew you were not going with the flow and you were being disruptive. right? >> and also, for someone like me, i came forward because i felt also if what i said, enron might implode because of accounting scandals. i was concerned whiff whether the company would exist.
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people in the irs night not know it was wrong, might have thought it was a questionable practice, and they might not have been concerned about the health of the whole i.r.s. like i was about enron. >> neil: another thing if you'll en$. my curiousity, that's idea that everybody has to get on the same page, we don't speak out of turn. we all love each other at fox and never say a crossword about any of our colleagues. but there's an understanding you don't do that. in other words, you don't air your dirty laundry in public and that was the message at enron. that might have been the mess ramming right now on the administration on ben georgia si, that everyone had to be part of the constant revisions, the talking points, and everybody had to agree in this case this wasn't a terror threat, wasn't an al qaeda type thing, despite a warning. i'm going to give the benefit of the doubt they weren't starting out to be deliberately devious, they all wanted to be roughly on the same page.
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too early to say. we're not going to jump the gun and say this was al qaeda. i only relate it back to you, sharon to say, what is the line between trying to make sure everyone is speaking the same point versus lying about that point? >> well, i think some of it has to do with people not wanting to be wrong. so people that might have helped the transaction be put in place and maybe the todd was hard to spot on the front end, they don't want to admit it was a problem because then they're part of it. i have a young daughter. i see that it seems seems to be ingrained in us when we do something wrong we want to deny and blame someone else, find an excuse. it's -- it goes back to adam and eve. the woman, you made me. we just don't want to accept fault. >> neil: but it was eve's fault. everything was eve's fault. but, sharon, finally in ken lay's case he was always above the fray or deemed before the fray that if he was guilty of
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anything, it wag ignorance. he didn't know what was going on. and that is ultimately what those who are the focus of an investigation cling to, adapt know what was going on. i went from being active, hands on managers, to mr. magoos. is that your sense of the ken lay strategy? >> yes, but at some point, i'm the young boy saying you're the emperor with no clothes. are you saying could she be right? or are you saying she better be wrong because we're paying arthur anderson a million dollars a week to make sure have on clothes. so at what point is your leadership style affecting the information you receive? >> sharon what continues took a lot of heat to speak up when she did. think of the time she did it. that was. the sharon watkins with us now. he blew the whistle on big tobacco companies, and it blew up so big they made a movie
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about it, and him. in fact, russell crowe played him. now jeffrey weigant is talking tonight only on fbn. you don't have it? all right. all of this is rush limbaugh's fault, says the president. they thought that's guy was crazy when he said stuff like this, but -- what an historian makes of all of this.
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>> being compared to president nixon on that. how does he feel about that? >> i don't have a reaction from president obama. i can tell you people who make those comparisons need to check their history. >> neil: we did. let's just say it is weird, the timing of all the white house scandal stuff is weird, 40 years almost to the day the congress took up watergate hearings. despite the guy they were investigating tried to act like business as usual. this president as well. continuing with the fundraiser, two of them, one in new york and the favorite attack point, rush limbaugh, for blocking his agenda. shane, what do you make of this? >> very common when there's a scandal, controversy for a president to come out and say, hey, time for me to go back to work. nixon called the incidents with
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watergate as bizarre. he said no one in this administration or his white house had anything to do with it. they were bizarre. president clinton with the beginning of the lewinski scandal said the accusations were false and he needed to go back to the work of the american people. so it's common in the early stages of an investigation. >> neil: as you reminded me, it's not so much the act or the alleged crime, it's the coverup afterwards. so, hence the fixation on the part of some of the media about benghazi. more to the point about the talking points revised no less than a dozen times. but in the case of these irs investigations, whether anyone at the administration might have been involved and whether there was an effort to cover that up. way too early to say. that is what get to the attention and that is what
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hearings and the sheer volume of things percolating right now, should the administration be worried? >> well, they should be concerned because, unlike watergate, the faces of watergate, who were they? turned out to be the administration. the different president's men that fell kind of one by one. who are the victims today? we have had two of them on your program already. there are faces associated with the irs scandal. people who have been victimized. you have the whistle blowers e blowers last week. those who died in ben gats si and their family members, show to faces are the people, the american people, that are coming forward and saying, this is what happened to me or this is my concern. that is a reason i would the obama administration should be concerned about the unfolding investigation, because more and more faces will come forward. >> neil: what if there are too many investigations to concentrate on.
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benghazi, the irs, the justice department and ap reporters, health and human services hitting up companies for money to promote the healthcare law. so many incidents, so many distractions. does that help the administration, you can't focus on one thing? >> it is hard to focus on one thing. the government is mighty big, so they'll continue to do their -- the government employees will continue to do their work, but look at jay carney, look at what he is fielding. two times in a row, peppered with questions. which we don't know enough -- that much about the ap scandal, but -- itch it is even a scandal, but now you have the press going for their rights as members of the press. >> neil: jane, book out right now. thank you very, very much.
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>> neil: attorney general eric holder using national security to justify the seizure of ap's phone records or some reporters' phone records. >> if is within the top two or three most serious leaks i have ever seen. put the american people at risk and that is not hyperbole. put the american people at risk, and trying to determine who is responsible for that, i think required very aggressive actions. >> neil: aggressive action or too much action? legal eagle is here to battle this one out. what do you think? >> too much action. i understand clearly national security is our most important
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priority. everyone's. not republican, not democrat, everyone. but in this instance the extent and the breadth and scope of what the attorney general did, his office did, has gone beyond the scope of the first amendment, beyond the national security exclusion to that first amendment, right to free tom of speech is, gone too far. there are ways to work these things, balance of power, and you get a judge involved you. don't have secret subpoenas issued. >> neil: his point is the lives of the american people mattered more than the intrusion of the reporters. >> 'think he is correct and there's a balance but i was looking at previous testimony and just to speak a little politically, the republicans were on obama, on eric holder, specifically mark smith said why haven't you figured out who has
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done this? this is a major leak in national security regarding the report in yemen. so, yes, there's that -- >> neil: the same reporters who had no problem with "the new york times" releasing compromising information so they pick and choose. >> both sides to. but we have to look at the law and where politics come into play and where the pressure is, whether it's fast and furious. all of these different issues that are flying at the doj, and it feels like there's just -- they're lost. >> neil: do you think in post-boston that is a highs 'ed sense of awareness and these thinges get more attention? >> again, i'm not saying that certain instances are justified. but in this instance, the issue is the scope and the breadth. >> neil: what could they have --
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>> they could have gone to a judge and asked'm for specifics, ask to have a judge review this, secret subpoenas regarding washington, los angeles -- a judge is there to balance -- >> neil: they argue they didn't have to do that. they wanted to do this fast. >> first of all this is factually inaccurate. the fact of the matter the doj can legally issue subpoenas without going to you a court and a jump. what i'm trying to understand because i don't think anyone has seen the actual subpoena, why the ap did not object. they didn't have to comply, and -- >> the point. >> everytime you receive a bone you don't have to comply unless you do to a judge, and the judge could have said, we're narrowing -- >> neil: it was out and this inn was're taken -- >> yes. >> then it's a violation -- >> neil: already done it. >> that's the point of this.
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the department of justice doesn't have the right to good in and take two months worth of information and then say, by the way, here's the subpoena we issued secretly. they can't go in and take a block of information -- neil: you're not buying the whole doing. >> no. they need to keep us safe. i'm saying the constitution has to be protected. >> we also need answers. >> neil: and we're not getting them. ladies, thank you. when we come back, so smooth, so cool, no drama obama, so done. ... ...
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>>. >> neil: finally, it is way too soon that the president is in deep trouble but i don't think it's too soon that americans are in a deep reassessment. that is what happens when scandal hits. it cuts to this administration's core credibility. it cuts to the trust. do people trust this white house. do people trust this president? up to now the administration has framed this benghazi issue is nothing more than a partisan republican attack fueled by fox news. then the revised talking points courtesy abc news then it was bigger news. new questions and doubts then came the irs, then the justice department spying on a.p. and suddenly you have lots of things that cut to what has long been this administration's core. that you can question our policies but you can never question our good intentions, until now.
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because now, folks are beginning to wonder. suddenly what they perceived to be the case is not the case or doesn't appear to be the case. it's like an idol caught. you acknowledge the lie or fall back and hoping the idol and i doll doesn't look so ideal and no matters what happens things are never the same. something between irs overstepping bounds and justice department overstepping rights, something has gone. all the president ample speaking skills in the world ain't going to bring it back. we'll see. more on whistleblower on the fox network, russell crowe played him in academy award nominating fashion. the man whom russell crowe said, it was an honor to play him.
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jeffrey wygan, hello, what we're doing is illegal. tonight, if you don't get it. >> demand. >> i will get you. [ laughter ] >> i'm greg gutfeld along our panel and dana perino. it's 5:00 in new york city and slightly balmy. >> greg: one week ago president obama said this about government. >> you have grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government is nothing more than a some sinister entity at the root of all our problems, you should reject all these voices, because what they suggest that our our unique experiment in self rule is a sham which